Lumpy's Sticky Site

My bad. The extension is coComments and still is buggy as heck. So is there service. On my end, the co.mments is still not working right.

The co.mments bookmarlette works but I still have issues with it. It is slow, the page doesn't always refresh right and sometimes either the applette doesn't apear or disappears so quickly that I don't see it. Again this may be on my end caused by something else.

Nonetheless, I don't think one should have to even hit refresh OR wait regarding tracking conversations. The refresh issues are the same on two other machines I have and I run zero extensions on those machines.

The co.mment bookmarklette also has another minor annoyance. I like to have a slew of tabs open at once. I use the favicon extension so that they take very little space. My Firefox automatically opens 7 pages each time I open it. When I open Firefox, I have to hit refresh on the co.mments page to see it anything hase changed. IMHO, they should have the page refresh automatically.

Also, if I use the bookmarklette to start tracking a conversation and then click on the "click here" to check on things (in the applette that opens,) it opens a new tab. Again, I simply want more control than that.

I am not trying to be a whiner here, I am sure that these things can be worked out. Anyhow, I am trying some of the services mentioned regarding this matter. I am sure I will have more to say on it.

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3. Lumpy on August 4th, 2007 at 4:07 am

Hey Lumpy, hope that tooth is healing up!

You wrote: "I am not sure if I would term it "some progress' regarding co.mmmets. At least on my end, the FF extension doesn't work seamlessly and I must use manually get the conversation to track. (DISCLAIMER: I run many extensions or "add-ons" they can interfere with each other.)"

OK, I just want to be sure - we're taling about co.mments here, not Cocomment, which is a different tool, right? I've had problems with CoComment, and CoComment is what Scoble criticized recently, but so far co.mments is working ok for me.

- Amy

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4. Amy Gahran on August 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pm

Oh, more tools for me to check up on, such a hardship….

- Amy

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5. Amy Gahran on August 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pm

thanks again for the link love…

I bet I will join in with Dr.Vinson (and you) on this… right now I am actually pretty medicated recovering from a tooth extraction that infected. Percoset is taking it's toll. either my space bar is dorked or my thumbs are not working.

I agree with you about content being lost. I think the issue is just as bad for what is out there and not actually lost but can not be found or tracked easily. Even if it is sitting in the Internet Archive or a cache somewhere, if it can not be found, it is just as practical as having been deleted.

I am not sure if I would term it "some progress' regarding co.mmmets. At least on my end, the FF extension doesn't work seamlessly and I must use manually get the conversation to track. (DISCLAIMER: I run many extensions or "add-ons" they can interfere with each other.)

My pipe dream is very much like yours… I want seamless integration. At present, I can track this conversation by using the bookmarklette but not the add-on. I have this post and Dr. Vinson's with his comment box open in separate tabs. This one shows up. His does not. It is likely because I did not hit post on either but I tried the same routine this AM (actually yesterday morning now), after hitting post, I got the same results. Not what I desire.

The bookmarklette will show the conversation but the add-on will not…. The only difference is my not yet posted comment. When I want to track a conversation, I do not care if I have posted. I want it to show up for me just as if I had commented even if I have not. Often listening to a conversation is just as important as participating.

We have come a long way in what you aptly call the "connectivity era" but unfortunately we have also entered the era of "information overload" and "data smog". What you term the problem is going to be a great challenge for those who create the "back end" of the web.

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6. Lumpy on August 1st, 2007 at 3:51 am

There is also http://www.Dandelife.com which also allows you to create an APML file based on your lifestream.

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7. Chris Saad on August 1st, 2007 at 3:43 am

Hi Amy - I like this post!

This is very relevant and encouraging for us at Hanzo! We build web archiving tools for just this kind of need - to enable people to capture and preserve their web content.

For example, for bloggers and individual publishers, we offer Hanzoweb, a free web archiving service. You can sign up at http://www.hanzoweb.com and archive all your content there. Hanzoweb provides a number of ways to trigger the archiving: manually with a bookmarklet, archive all that you blog about with our open source wordpress plug-in, drive the archiving programmatically via our open API, or pick stuff up automatically with our RSS archive tool. The latter is very handy, for example, you can archive your del.icio.us feed, or a specific tag in your feed, and we collect the bookmark and archive it for you.

Just as you request, you can make your archived items public or private. All public items are shared. Indeed all our archives are stored in open, standard archive files, so to take sharing to the extreme, we donate our public archives to the Internet Archive, so they'll be available through the Wayback too. So your content is not only shared, it will be very safe for a very long time indeed. All archived content has a unique URL composed of the name of the archive (Hanzoweb in this case), a timestamp, and the original live URL. We also generate feeds so you can share it that way.

We don't yet have analysis tools, but we do have an API, so let us know what'd be useful to you.

If you have a large requirement, you can buy additional quota.

We also do more sophisticated tools to enable institutions, publishers and corporations to archive their total web presence. More on that here… http://www.hanzoarchives.com

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9. Mark Middleton on July 31st, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Thanks, Tinu. From what I understand, integrating the blog comments, forum posts, and e-mail list contributions is what would be a real pain.

I hear via Lumpy's corner that co.mments has made some progress on the blog comments front. I'll be checking that out.

- Amy

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12. amy on July 31st, 2007 at 10:06 am

There isn't anything quite like that yet. The closest you'd come would be tools like Page Flakes or Net Vine. Then there's Facebook folding a lot of the social apps into one place, but it doesn't do everything.

I thought it would be neat to try and build a service that does something like this, but I just haven't found the right programming team/developer yet. I really need to crawl into past emails and look at software partnerships I've formed in the past that weren't ready to take off at the time.

By the time I get mine together, there's almost certain to be one.

If I see anything, I'll let you know.

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The elusive Me Collector…

Amy Gahran says, "I want one place for all my content: Pipe dream?" She mentioned this at BlogHer as well….

Its RSS feeds in a roach motel for people who can't figure out RSS.

Posted by: coleman hines | Friday, August 24, 2007 at 12:47 AM

I totally agree - sometimes you just have to break it all the way down for people to understand.

Posted by: Eric | Friday, August 24, 2007 at 01:04 PM

Dave, you hit the nail on the head.

How is it possible that most of the world doesn't 'get' RSS or feeds, but when you look at it in a very simple way ("people see shit other people are doing in the Feed, and then they click on that shit.") it becomes crystal clear.

Thank you for a fantastic observation.

I think the more that people become used to feeds (in their email, on their PDAs or on the web) the more they'll be addicted. I am, having worked with Attensa for a few months on their enterprise 2.0 RSS platform.

The cool thing? From safe, inside the firewall, you can have the same kind of interaction and attention that millions of people turn to Facebook every day for - what's the shit today?

Cheers, and thanks for your perspective.

Posted by: Janet Johnson | Saturday, August 25, 2007 at 04:20 PM

Dave, you hit the nail on the head.

How is it possible that most of the world doesn't 'get' RSS or feeds, but when you look at it in a very simple way ("people see shit other people are doing in the Feed, and then they click on that shit.") it becomes crystal clear.

Thank you for a fantastic observation.

I think the more that people become used to feeds (in their email, on their PDAs or on the web) the more they'll be addicted. I am, having worked with Attensa for a few months on their enterprise 2.0 RSS platform.

The cool thing? From safe, inside the firewall, you can have the same kind of interaction and attention that millions of people turn to Facebook every day for - what's the shit today?

Cheers, and thanks for your perspective.

Posted by: Janet Johnson | Saturday, August 25, 2007 at 04:21 PM

Hey Dave,

I like your insight on the dynamics of the feed. I don't think the platform in itself is anything unique or special as it's just another Web 2.0 API, but creating a news stream of all of your friends' activities is indeed revolutionary. I remember the uproar it caused initially, but it's become the finger to the pulse of Facebook.

In the future it's foreseeable that Facebook might develop into a peer news network (i.e. news about your peers) more than a peer communication service. I wonder what kind of social engineering impact it might have...

Posted by: Aaronontheweb (AjaxNinja) | Thursday, August 30, 2007 at 03:14 PM

I'm really trying toget into facebook, but useing it for marketing for my bar programs like http://www.myfriendbuilder.com don't work with it.

Posted by: my friend adder | Friday, September 28, 2007 at 11:39 PM